Cactus Flower

[Trevor]

Just saw this movie again, (Cactus Flower with a young and very attractive
Goldie Hawn :-) last time was when it was originally released. I was
surprised that it had two Monkee tunes in a row, albeit played instrumental
by a dance band. I'm a Believer and She Hangs Out.

Trevor.

[Infinite Rider]

Post by Trevor
Just saw this movie again, (Cactus Flower with a young and very attractive
Goldie Hawn :-) last time was when it was originally released. I was
surprised that it had two Monkee tunes in a row, albeit played instrumental
by a dance band. I'm a Believer and She Hangs Out.

I had the same reaction when I saw "Cactus Flower" and heard the two instrumentals of the Monkees's songs. I sort of wondered if Jeff Barry had anything to do with that since he produced "I'm a Believer" and cowrote "She Hangs Out." But, I didn't recall seeing his name in the movie credits or listed in the entry for the movie on the Internet Movie Database.

But, that movie wasn't the only source of Monkee music to be heard in the movies during the 60s and 70s/ MGM used an instrumental of "Last Train to Clarksville" in one of their 1967 theater shorts, which aired about a couple of years ago on Turner Classic Movies. I haven't seen it since but I believe the short was promoting a movie shot in Las Vegas and one of the actresses that was in the movie. I'd like to see the short again but the on screen cable and satellite guides don't list the shorts, only the main features.

And "Good Clean Fun" was heard in the 1970 movie "A Walk in the Spring Rain," but it wasn't an instrumental version of the song but the actual Monkees song. Of all the Monkee songs one might expect to hear in a movie, GCF was probably the most unlikeliest of choices for that time. The song was heard in a scene involving actress Ingrid Bergman driving a car and listening to the song on the "radio." Somewhat bizarrely, the song, the Monkees as performer and Mike as composer wasn't given any mention in the credits at all, although many movies from that time were carrying songwriting credits and artist credits. Given the movie seemed to be written for an older audience rather than twenty-somethings and teens, a title credit, artist credit and songwriting credit likely wouldn't have resulted in older people fleeing from the movie theater at the mention of the Monkees in the end credits.

[Trevor]

Post by Infinite Rider
But, that movie wasn't the only source of Monkee music to be heard in the
movies during the 60s and 70s/

Right, and even later.

Post by Infinite Rider
And "Good Clean Fun" was heard in the 1970 movie "A Walk in the Spring
Rain," but it wasn't an instrumental version of the song but the actual
Monkees song.
Of all the Monkee songs one might expect to hear in a movie, GCF was
probably the most unlikeliest of choices for that time.

Maybe, but using Porpoise Song in Vanilla Sky was strange too since it was
already the theme song from another movie, HEAD. :-)

Post by Infinite Rider
The song was heard in a scene involving actress Ingrid Bergman driving a
car and listening to the song on the "radio." Somewhat bizarrely, the song,
the Monkees as performer and Mike as composer wasn't given any >mention in
the credits at all, although many movies from that time were carrying
songwriting credits and artist credits.

Not so unusual in those days as the credits were often very sparse. It would
be very unusual these days with credits nearly as long as the movie in some
cases! :-)

Post by Infinite Rider
Given the movie seemed to be written for an older audience rather than
twenty-somethings and teens, a title credit, artist credit and songwriting
credit likely wouldn't have resulted in older people fleeing from the movie

Post by Infinite Rider
theater at the mention of the Monkees in the end credits.

Or flocking to record stores to buy it I guess.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

Post by Infinite Rider
But, that movie wasn't the only source of Monkee music to be heard in the
movies during the 60s and 70s/

Right, and even later.

Post by Infinite Rider
And "Good Clean Fun" was heard in the 1970 movie "A Walk in the Spring
Rain," but it wasn't an instrumental version of the song but the actual
Monkees song.
Of all the Monkee songs one might expect to hear in a movie, GCF was
probably the most unlikeliest of choices for that time.

Maybe, but using Porpoise Song in Vanilla Sky was strange too since it was
already the theme song from another movie, HEAD. :-)

Post by Infinite Rider
The song was heard in a scene involving actress Ingrid Bergman driving a
car and listening to the song on the "radio." Somewhat bizarrely, the song,
the Monkees as performer and Mike as composer wasn't given any >mention in
the credits at all, although many movies from that time were carrying
songwriting credits and artist credits.

Not so unusual in those days as the credits were often very sparse. It would
be very unusual these days with credits nearly as long as the movie in some
cases! :-)

Post by Infinite Rider
Given the movie seemed to be written for an older audience rather than
twenty-somethings and teens, a title credit, artist credit and songwriting
credit likely wouldn't have resulted in older people fleeing from the movie
theater at the mention of the Monkees in the end credits.

Or flocking to record stores to buy it I guess.

Trevor.

[Infinite Rider]

Post by Trevor
Maybe, but using Porpoise Song in Vanilla Sky was strange too since it was
already the theme song from another movie, HEAD. :-)

I thought "Porpoise Song" was a darned good choice for "Vanilla Sky" as it fit the section of the movie in which it was used very well. Better than the original song written for the movie by Paul McCartney, which to me was not only a little on the ordinary side, but also sounded like a reworking of "Blackbird" and "Rocky Raccoon." I think Paul received an Academy Award nomination for his song but it just didn't strike me as being worthy of an Oscar nod. I always thought "Porpoise Song" was worthy of an Oscar nod but when it came out, it was still in the day when Hollywood's idea of pop music. Hollywood's idea of pop music in those days was artists like Frank Sinatra and songwriters/musicians like Henry Mancini or Burt Bacharach and Hal David. They still had an aversion to rock-oriented artists and groups.

Post by Trevor
Not so unusual in those days as the credits were often very sparse. It would
be very unusual these days with credits nearly as long as the movie in some
cases! :-)

The title, writing and performing credits started showing up in many of the rock-oriented movies of the mid-to-late 60s. And only very rarely in other movies. In retrospect, song titles, the artists performing the songs and the writers who wrote the songs should've been a given all along. Strangely and maybe totally perverse, there's still movies to this day where none of the songs, artists and writers (and even music publishers) are credited but there's credits for the food caterers and drivers and (where appropriate) school teachers for child actors. As much as it cost to make movies these days, those are credits which should be excluded on the grounds of being nonessential. But, I suppose those professions have their unions which wield considerable clout and Hollywood has to credit them.

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Post by Infinite Rider
Given the movie seemed to be written for an older audience rather than
twenty-somethings and teens, a title credit, artist credit and songwriting
credit likely wouldn't have resulted in older people fleeing from the movie

Post by Infinite Rider
theater at the mention of the Monkees in the end credits.

Or flocking to record stores to buy it I guess.

But, wouldn't it have been a sight to have seen older people going into a record store and asking for "that record by the Monkees" and buying the record? I could've just seen the puzzled look on the faces of the store clerks, wondering why the Monkees were suddenly appealing to an older market. Of course, as the title wasn't mentioned in the song, the failure to ID the song in the movie would've made it difficult for anyone to have gone into the record store and asked about it or bought it.

[Trevor]

"Infinite Rider" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:33cd1141-2a03-4165-b6e2-***@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
}I thought "Porpoise Song" was a darned good choice for "Vanilla Sky" as it
fit the section of the movie in which it was used very well. Better than the
original song written for the movie by Paul McCartney, which to me was not
only a little on the ordinary side, but also sounded like a reworking of
"Blackbird" and "Rocky Raccoon." I think Paul received an Academy Award
nomination for his song but it just didn't strike me as being worthy of an
Oscar nod. I always thought "Porpoise Song" was worthy of an Oscar nod but
when it came out, it was still in the day when Hollywood's idea of pop
music. Hollywood's idea of pop music in those days was artists like Frank
Sinatra and songwriters/musicians like Henry Mancini or Burt Bacharach and
Hal David. They still had an aversion to rock-oriented artists and groups.

Right, they would never have considered the Monkees in any case, just as the
RnR hall of Fame won't.


}The title, writing and performing credits started showing up in many of the
rock-oriented movies of the mid-to-late 60s.

Some, but not many IME. It wasn't until the seventies that it became more
regular.


}And only very rarely in other movies. In retrospect, song titles, the
artists performing the songs and the writers who wrote the songs should've
been a given all along. Strangely and maybe totally perverse, there's still
movies to this day where none of the songs, artists and writers (and even
music publishers) are credited but there's credits for the food caterers and
drivers and (where appropriate) school teachers for child actors.

Yes, I find that annoying when I'm trying to find out what a song was.
Happens more in TV shows than movies these days however.


}As much as it cost to make movies these days, those are credits which
should be excluded on the grounds of being nonessential.

I agree.

}But, I suppose those professions have their unions which wield considerable
clout and Hollywood has to credit them.

Yep, it's part of creating a CV/profile in the industry, and would be
written into most contracts these days. Recording credits on CD's these days
are usually far more extensive than they were in the days of vinyl for the
same reason.


}But, wouldn't it have been a sight to have seen older people going into a
record store and asking for "that record by the Monkees" and buying the
record?

Nice fantasy :-)


}I could've just seen the puzzled look on the faces of the store clerks,
wondering why the Monkees were suddenly appealing to an older market. Of
course, as the title wasn't mentioned in the song, the failure to ID the
song in the movie would've made it difficult for anyone to have gone into
the record store and asked about it or bought it.


People often asked their record store about movie soundtracks and songs.
Even if they were in the credits, they often missed those. I would bet money
that few ever did in this case!

Trevor.

[Infinite Rider]

Post by Trevor
Right, they would never have considered the Monkees in any case, just as the
RnR hall of Fame won't.

Part of the problem for the decision making process for the Oscar awards in those days was that the academy was made up of old Hollywood veterans, many who just didn't relate to the younger actors, singer-musicians, producers, directors, etc . - who were coming up and would eventually take their place.

As for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I think the Monkees will someday get a nomination and be inducted. But, that will come only after the Jann Wenner voting bloc are long departed from the hall. Of course, that day will probably come long after the Monkees and many of their fans are long gone from this world. At least one can take some comfort in the fact that the Monkees were inducted into the Vocal Group Hall of Fame a few years ago. Some might take the view that it's not the same as getting into the rock hall but still, it's respect and recognition coming from other musical peers who founded the hall.

Post by Trevor
Some, but not many IME. It wasn't until the seventies that it became more
regular.

True, but it was closer to being in the late 70s where song titles, composers, music publishers and artists performing the songs finally started receiving on screen credit. In the 60s, the reason given for not crediting the songs, composers, artists and publishers was that it was an extra expense the Hollywood studios couldn't afford. That excuse didn't really hold a lot of water as in the 70s, moviemaking was a far more expensive proposition, It couldn't be done in the 60s when an on screen credit line for the songs, composers and artists (never mind the publishers) might've run the studio an extra $500 to produce? I'm not sure if that was the actual cost to produce an on screen credit - it probably was much less. End credits are even more expensive these days, given some credits run six to ten minutes.

Post by Trevor
Yes, I find that annoying when I'm trying to find out what a song was.
Happens more in TV shows than movies these days however.

What happens here in the US these days on the tv shows is the end credits are flashed at the bottom of the screen, and shown so quickly you can't really find out anything about who or what was in the show that piqued your interest. The songs usually receive an on air plug prior to the credits providing the name of the song, the artist and the album the song appears on. No composer credit, though.

Post by Trevor
Yep, it's part of creating a CV/profile in the industry, and would be
written into most contracts these days. Recording credits on CD's these days
are usually far more extensive than they were in the days of vinyl for the
same reason.

And as regarding the above mentioned six to ten minute end credits in movies, I hate sitting through five to six minutes of credits just to get to the songs or screen music. Another end credit annoyance are the listings for the actors at the beginning of the end credits, followed a few minutes later with another listing for the same actors, this time listing the roles they played. Excessive and wasteful, doesn't need to be there than the credit for caterers, teachers and drivers.

Recording credits in the US first started expanding long before the CD era, as far as including the songwriters, publishers, producers, arrangers, recording engineers, musicians, backing vocalists. I saw some albums in the 70s where the credits were extravagant: all songs written by the same people and published by the same publisher(s) but given credit on each song, and the same musicians playing on every song and also given credit on each song. That line of credit had to bite into the record company's profits but of course, they didn't take the loss when they could charge such expenses back to the artists.

Post by Trevor
}But, wouldn't it have been a sight to have seen older people going into a
record store and asking for "that record by the Monkees" and buying the
record?
Nice fantasy :-)

Make a funny movie scene, too!

Post by Trevor
People often asked their record store about movie soundtracks and songs.
Even if they were in the credits, they often missed those. I would bet money
that few ever did in this case!

I'd take the same bet as my guess would be zero or none asked about the song, given how so few probably even saw the movie in 1970. Despite the heavyweight stars, it was a pretty forgettable movie. Lethargic too.

[Trevor]

Post by Infinite Rider
Part of the problem for the decision making process for the Oscar awards in
those days was that the academy was made up of old Hollywood veterans, many
who just didn't relate to the younger actors, singer-musicians, producers,
directors, etc . - who were coming up and would eventually take their
place.

Right, it's the usual problem, the people in charge like to keep a closed
shop, and usually a closed mind too :-(

Post by Infinite Rider
As for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I think the Monkees will someday get
a nomination and be inducted. But, that will come only after the Jann
Wenner voting bloc are long departed from the hall. Of course, that day
will probably come long after the Monkees and many of their fans are long
gone from this world. At least one can take some comfort in the fact that
the Monkees were inducted into the Vocal Group Hall of Fame a few years
ago. Some might take the view that it's not the same as getting into the
rock hall but still, it's respect and recognition coming from other musical
peers who founded the hall.

Yep, it's good there are alternatives. I must admit I'd never heard of the
Vocal Group Hall of Fame before, but then there are so many industry award
groups now, and Movies, TV, and Music have always led the way along with
Sports.

Post by Infinite Rider
True, but it was closer to being in the late 70s where song titles,
composers, music publishers and artists performing the songs finally
started receiving on screen credit. In the 60s, the reason given for not
crediting the songs, composers, artists and publishers was that it was an
extra expense the Hollywood studios couldn't afford. That excuse didn't
really hold a lot of water as in the 70s, moviemaking was a far more
expensive proposition, It couldn't be done in the 60s when an on screen
credit line for the songs, composers and artists (never mind the
publishers) might've run the studio an extra $500 to produce? I'm not sure
if that was the actual cost to produce an on screen credit - it probably
was much less. End credits are even more expensive these days, given some
credits run six to ten minutes.

And longer! Still you don't have to sit through them at least, and the TV
stations don't even show them any more.

Post by Infinite Rider
What happens here in the US these days on the tv shows is the end credits
are flashed at the bottom of the screen, and shown so quickly you can't
really find out anything about who or what was in the show that piqued your
interest. The songs usually receive an on air plug prior to the credits
providing the name of the song, the artist and the album the song appears
on.

Never seen that happen here. What is becoming common now is to simply show a
page saying "credits available to view on-line at www....."

Post by Infinite Rider
And as regarding the above mentioned six to ten minute end credits in
movies, I hate sitting through five to six minutes of credits just to get
to the songs or screen music.

Thank god for fast forward :-)

Post by Infinite Rider
Another end credit annoyance are the listings for the actors at the
beginning of the end credits, followed a few minutes later with another
listing for the same actors, this time listing the roles they played.
Excessive and wasteful, doesn't need to be there than the credit for
caterers, teachers and drivers.

Couldn't agree more.

Post by Infinite Rider
I'd take the same bet as my guess would be zero or none asked about the
song, given how so few probably even saw the movie in 1970. Despite the
heavyweight stars, it was a pretty forgettable movie. Lethargic too.

I can't say I ever saw it, or even heard of it before.

Trevor.

[Infinite Rider]

Post by Trevor
Right, it's the usual problem, the people in charge like to keep a closed
shop, and usually a closed mind too :-(

They want to preserve the status quo, which in many instances, is usually about protecting their livelihood. With the awards, it's more of an ego thing than anything else. Still, they failed to honor many of their fellow artists in any genre and of any age. Or gave awards to questionable choices. They gave John Wayne an award for "True Grit," but that role wasn't all that much different from the ones he had been playing for years. I read one account which suggested he had been given the nomination and the award because he was getting on in years and the academy wanted to recognize his contributions before he passed away. Kind of a cold and heartless reasoning but possibly true and no doubt done to relieve any feelings of guilt for not having already given him an Oscar in all the years he had been making movies.

Post by Trevor
Yep, it's good there are alternatives. I must admit I'd never heard of the
Vocal Group Hall of Fame before, but then there are so many industry award
groups now, and Movies, TV, and Music have always led the way along with
Sports.

I believe the Vocal Group Hall of Fame was started by or with the support of the Lettermen and some other vocal groups from the 50s and 60s. They had seen many of their musical acts ignored by other music halls, even though the acts may have met the eligibility criteria for nomination and induction. With the VGHoF, there were no genre issues and personal prejudices to keep a group from being nominated and inducted save for the fact the act had to be a group. No solo performers. A lot of so called rock fans have harped about some of the acts that have been inducted into the R&RHoF as not being true rockers, but their argument is based on the idea that only hard rockers or heavy metal acts are rockers and all other acts are basically pop, soul and country acts. Their argument only holds water if you limit the definition of rock to the hard rock bands from the late 60s amd 70s, and believe that playing louder meant you were more of a rocker than the next musician.

Post by Trevor
And longer! Still you don't have to sit through them at least, and the TV
stations don't even show them any more.

Same here although you can still see the end credits on the movie channels on the cable or satellite, which run unedited and without interruption. Most times, that's my cue to get up and get something to eat or go to the bathroom, unless there was an actor I liked watching or a song I heard and liked and wanted to know more. Then, I'll wait and watch the credits roll by until I get the information I need before moving on.

Post by Trevor
Never seen that happen here. What is becoming common now is to simply show a
page saying "credits available to view on-line at www....."

That sounds like an idea they should be doing here. Doesn't make a lot of sense to flash forward hundreds of information on production, personnel and cast in about ten seconds. Most people can't speed read that much information in that short a time!

Post by Trevor

Post by Infinite Rider
And as regarding the above mentioned six to ten minute end credits in
movies, I hate sitting through five to six minutes of credits just to get
to the songs or screen music.

Thank god for fast forward :-)

Amen!

Post by Trevor
I can't say I ever saw it, or even heard of it before.

If it wasn't for the fact that I had been channel surfing and had stopped to watch a few minutes of the movie to see if it was worth my time, I wouldn't have known that "Good Clean Fun" was in the movie. I had watched maybe five minutes of the movie, which I guess was fortuitous as I'd already decided the movie was a bore and was just about to change the channel when the song came up. I looked at the on screen guide to see the movie's run time, so I'd know when to switch back to catch the credits and see if the song, the Monkees and Mike all got a mention. Very disappointing to say the least.

[Trevor]

Post by Infinite Rider
They want to preserve the status quo, which in many instances, is usually
about protecting their livelihood. With the awards, it's more of an ego
thing than anything else. Still, they failed to honor many of their fellow
artists in any genre and of any age. Or gave awards to questionable
choices. They gave John Wayne an award for "True Grit," but that role
wasn't all that much different from the ones he had been playing for years.
I read one account which suggested he had been given the nomination and the
award because he was getting on in years and the academy wanted to
recognize his contributions before he passed away. Kind of a cold and
heartless reasoning but possibly true and no doubt done to relieve any
feelings of guilt for not having already given him an Oscar in all the
years he had been making movies.

I don't think there is ANY doubt about that. But IMO none of his movies
deserved an Oscar since he never really played anyone except John Wayne. It
should have been a life time achievement award, perhaps he deserved that.
But there are FAR worse cases of undeserving awards however in both the
acting and music industries.

Post by Infinite Rider
I believe the Vocal Group Hall of Fame was started by or with the support
of the Lettermen and some other vocal groups from the 50s and 60s. They had
seen many of their musical acts ignored by other music halls, even though
the acts may have met the eligibility criteria for nomination and
induction. With the VGHoF, there were no genre issues and personal
prejudices to keep a group from being nominated and inducted save for the
fact the act had to be a group. No solo performers. A lot of so called rock
fans have harped about some of the acts that have been inducted into the
R&RHoF as not being true rockers, but their argument is based on the idea
that only hard rockers or heavy metal acts are rockers and all other acts
are basically pop, soul and country acts. Their argument only holds water
if you limit the definition of rock to the hard rock bands from the late
60s amd 70s, and believe that playing louder meant you were more of a
rocker than the next musician.

Right, there will always be predjudice in all walks of life. Most musicians
are no different.

Post by Infinite Rider
Same here although you can still see the end credits on the movie channels
on the cable or satellite, which run unedited and without interruption.
Most times, that's my cue to get up and get something to eat or go to the
bathroom, unless there was an actor I liked watching or a song I heard and
liked and wanted to know more. Then, I'll wait and watch the credits roll
by until I get the information I need before moving on.

Since owning a PVR for many years now, I simply record, FF, and pause at the
bit I want to see. I can watch far more programs by not having to put up
with ads, promo's, credits etc, and enjoy it far more.

Post by Infinite Rider
That sounds like an idea they should be doing here. Doesn't make a lot of
sense to flash forward hundreds of information on production, personnel and
cast in about ten seconds. Most people can't speed read that much
information in that short a time!

They don't expect you too. It's like Chuck Lorre's vanity page, unless you
pause the display you cannot possibly read it. Many people have the ability
to do so now if they want. Hell you could do it over 30 years ago with a
VCR! (my first VCR was a Phillips 1502. pre VHS and Betamax!!! :-)

Post by Infinite Rider
If it wasn't for the fact that I had been channel surfing and had stopped
to watch a few minutes of the movie to see if it was worth my time, I
wouldn't have known that "Good Clean Fun" was in the movie. I had watched
maybe five minutes of the movie, which I guess was fortuitous as I'd
already decided the movie was a bore and was just about to change the
channel when the song came up. I looked at the on screen guide to see the
movie's run time, so I'd know when to switch back to catch the credits and
see if the song, the Monkees and Mike all got a mention. Very disappointing
to say the least.

Right, I've caught a few things like that, in another thread I mentioned
Harvey Levin saying he was a huge Monkees fan on TMZ. I only caught it as I
switched channels since I wasn't watching the program. But there must be far
more I've missed and never knew about. That's life I guess.

Trevor.

[Infinite Rider]

Post by Trevor
I don't think there is ANY doubt about that. But IMO none of his movies
deserved an Oscar since he never really played anyone except John Wayne. It
should have been a life time achievement award, perhaps he deserved that.
But there are FAR worse cases of undeserving awards however in both the
acting and music industries.

Wayne would've been far more deserving of a life time achievement award, because he was - as you rightly note - playing himself in his movies. The roles and story lines of his western movies were often interchangeable with one another. He even wore the same cowboy clothes (including hat) in several of the 1960s movies but at least he was more watchable in that kind of movie than in something like "The Green Berets" (or "John Wayne Goes To Vietnam"), which I thought wasn't too believable because he was in his 60s by then, too old to be a front line soldier.

Likewise, I think there were and are far worse cases of undeserving actors and music performers in their respective industries. There are certain actors who to me are highly overrated by the movie industry and yet, every time they make a movie, they're guaranteed an Oscar nomination, regardless of whether it's deserving or not. The music industry isn't quite as bad but that's only because of the volatility of the music industry, and the fact many artists take a three to five year break between albums.

Post by Trevor
Right, there will always be predjudice in all walks of life. Most musicians
are no different.

With the joke that is the R&RHoF, the prejudice is more on the side of the non-musicians (rock news media/music critics) and record executives who are members of the nominating committee than the actual musicians, though there are no doubt some musicians who are just as snobbish as the hall insiders. But, as far as I know, they only get to vote on the inductions of the nominees. They don't get to nominate any of the acts.

Post by Trevor
Since owning a PVR for many years now, I simply record, FF, and pause at the
bit I want to see. I can watch far more programs by not having to put up
with ads, promo's, credits etc, and enjoy it far more.

I still tape on occasions and likewise will fast forward through something I don't want to see. But, I mostly tape old movies from the 40s and earlier and end credits back then were pretty short affairs. Less than a minute. The people on the production side (behind the scenes) usually got their credits at the beginning, along with the stars. End credits were usually the stars and some of the other actors who were in the movie but who didn't get the upfront credit. They were lucky as not every actor in a movie from the 50s or earlier got an onscreen credit, even though they weren't extras and had several lines of dialogue.

Post by Trevor
They don't expect you too. It's like Chuck Lorre's vanity page, unless you
pause the display you cannot possibly read it. Many people have the ability
to do so now if they want. Hell you could do it over 30 years ago with a
VCR! (my first VCR was a Phillips 1502. pre VHS and Betamax!!! :-)

Oh, I know. I was pretty bad for freezeframing the vcr to get the end credits for the bits of info I wanted or pausing to look at a certain scene. I was just as bad when it came to hitting the slow-motion button to study certain scenes for realism and believability.

Post by Trevor
Right, I've caught a few things like that, in another thread I mentioned
Harvey Levin saying he was a huge Monkees fan on TMZ. I only caught it as I
switched channels since I wasn't watching the program. But there must be far
more I've missed and never knew about. That's life I guess.

I ready your mention about Harvey being a huge Monkees fan. I know he's on TMZ but that's on late at night here and if I'm up, I'm usually watching some old movie or tv show. I thought the IMDB website might be the best source for movies and tv shows featuring Monkee songs (apart from their own shows and movie) but it's a pretty thin list. And even they don't give a credit for "Good Clean Fun" being in "A Walk In The Spring Rain" or the instrumentals of Monkee songs in "Cactus Flower." What else could they have missed?